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Man United have fallen so far that defeats to West Ham are no longer a surprise

LONDON -- There was a time when Manchester United would lose at places like West Ham and it was considered a shock. Not anymore.

They lost at the London Stadium last season and, on the basis of that and Sunday's 2-0 defeat, it is likely they will lose here again before re-establishing themselves as Premier League title challengers. It has been a long six years since Sir Alex Ferguson retired a champion and the road back to the top does not look like coming to an end soon.

The truth is the United fans, who travelled south from Manchester early on Sunday, did not learn anything new.