It is when Dave Golding says, in his unassuming way, that it is time to move on and consider the idea of safe standing at Anfield, that you really feel it is time to listen.
He experienced the unimaginably desperate events at Hillsborough in a way which would remain with any one of us for a lifetime: walking down into the Leppings Lane terrace on that warm Spring day in 1989 with his uncle and brother; being jolted down on to the concrete terrace; cracking his head in the melee; surviving. And then discovering his uncle had not.