No kid wants to grow up and be a Gary Neville.
Even from the other side of the world in sunny Sao Paulo, Cafu is laughing at Jamie Carragher's infamous assertion.
The Brazil legend understands the sentiment, but protests: 'No, no, Gary Neville was a fantastic full back. He would genuinely get to the by-line. He played without fear. He was a leader.'
What about Carragher?
'He was very good, too.' Less effusive, but polite all the same.
Carragher made his claim about young players not aspiring to be right-backs in 2013.