Only now, before the last of so many, many games at Goodison Park, is David Moyes explaining why he’s spent so little time in his own dug-out seat, which is at pitch-level, down the years.
‘You can’t see the ball on the far side of the pitch from here,’ he explains, taking up a position in that seat, in the calm of the empty stadium as a warm afternoon sunshine illuminates the pitch. ‘There’s a camber in the middle of the pitch so you can’t actually see right across the it.’
We’ve walked here through the old stadium’s narrow tunnel - up the 13 whitewashed steps to the spot where Everton players have always taken the Z-Cars tune as their cue to step out - and he remarks on its tightness; another of Goodison’s idiosyncrasies.