Frank Lampard, dripping with sweat, has just returned from his daily 45-minute post-training run around Chelsea's complex at Cobham with his assistants, Jody Morris and Chris Jones.
Waiting for him in reception is his cousin and Sportsmail columnist Jamie Redknapp.
These two go way back, from garden kickabouts, to celebrating a 19th birthday in Ayia Napa, to lining up for England together. But busy schedules make catch-ups difficult nowadays.
'Frankie!' says our man as they embrace. Over lunch in the players' canteen, then a cuppa in his office, Lampard opens up on Chelsea, playing the kids, his own upbringing, 'real' managers versus 'fake' ones, Europe and Jose Mourinho.