Jamie Carragher's verdict is clear: Liverpool are a defensive mess.
On Tuesday, after their 1-0 defeat by Galatasaray, he let out his strongest barrage of criticism: Liverpool are not a 'top team,' they play 'basketball' rather than football, and they have multiple problems which need fixing urgently.
And this is a drum he has been banging since the summer.
In August, he and Arne Slot endured a tense face-off on Sky Sports as the legendary defender gave his view on Liverpool's vulnerability.
It ended with Carragher declaring himself 'worried' - and Slot advising him to support another team.