So which of his two unique feats in football is Spanish coach Marcelino most proud? Being sacked by Peter Lim at Valencia for trying to win a trophy, or being the first coach to put Athletic Bilbao's Williams brothers on the pitch together?
Mention of the first one, more of which later, brings laughter. And the second is downplayed.
'I didn't see anything in him that the youth coaches at the club had not already seen,' Marcelino says of Nico Williams who debuted for Athletic last season, and for Spain last week. It's been some week for the Williams brothers.