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Even if the Phillies eventually improve, no guarantee fans will return

John Weber saw something more than nearly 30,000 empty blue seats when he surveyed Citizens Bank Park during the Phillies' tedious, 9-1 loss to the Miami Marlins on Thursday afternoon. The man in charge of ballpark ticket sales also saw the past, and it jarred pleasant memories.

"How amazing was it that we sold out 257 straight games and our fans came out on days like this one?" Weber said Friday during a telephone interview. "They supported us on so many days like that, and I give them all the credit in the world."

The conditions were raw Thursday.